tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7563451968059931498.post1111578173340001742..comments2023-06-13T09:35:04.588-04:00Comments on that atheist guy's blog: A Semantic Taxonomy of Non-theismthat atheist guyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16091786187162784705noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7563451968059931498.post-28758875896667417202007-11-08T07:46:00.000-05:002007-11-08T07:46:00.000-05:00Thank you, AG!I wrote something about you yesterda...Thank you, AG!<BR/><BR/>I wrote something about you yesterday that was not true. I just didn't get a chance to come to your site to see your comment, that's all. So if you see a discrepancy, please do comment on that post, so they know that you're not ignoring me.<BR/><BR/>I would love for you to come and think with me on my various "WHY" questions. If you read the Friendly Atheist blog, you will know what I'm talking about.<BR/><BR/>My voice is only unique because it changes daily. My goal is to absorb other thoughts and other voices that I hear in oder to keep building onto who I am.<BR/><BR/>I've let go of my fear of being an ass and a fool. <BR/><BR/>So.... come have some fun with me at your leisure.Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18189439677913352055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7563451968059931498.post-75880339469903515252007-11-07T15:19:00.000-05:002007-11-07T15:19:00.000-05:00JT,Thanks for the comments! I haven't had too much...JT,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the comments! I haven't had too much trouble finding the various new atheist books here in NYC. When the Dawkins book first came out I never could find it at any airport though. I don't know if that is still true now that everyone knows it's a good seller.<BR/><BR/>I subscribed to your blogs RSS feeds. You have a unique voice, and I enjoy your posts. I should post more, but I'm more a consumer than a producer of information.that atheist guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16091786187162784705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7563451968059931498.post-52390740028945692892007-11-04T14:35:00.000-05:002007-11-04T14:35:00.000-05:00Hi AG!I didn't even know you were a New Yorker whe...Hi AG!<BR/><BR/>I didn't even know you were a New Yorker when I posted my comment this morning. I love NY! I used to live in NJ and worked in NYC for ten years. <BR/><BR/>On our way home from church this morning, I stopped at Borders Book Store with my family.<BR/><BR/>I looked for two books in particular: God is Not Great by Christopher Hitchens and the God Delusion by Richard Dawkins, which were recommended by a friend of mine. <BR/><BR/>Being thoroughly frusted by not being able to find the books, I looked for a clerk to help me. When I found someone, I asked in a slightly louder than usual voice where I could locate the books. You should have seen the looks I got... It was kind of funny.<BR/><BR/>I did find the books in the teeny weeny "Atheism" section hidden within the "Religion" section. The section was not even marked. It sort of infuriated me that I had such diffulty finding the books. <BR/><BR/>Do you find this same situation in New York? (I'm in VA by the way.) It spoke volumes to me as to what the general feeling is about atheists. It made me want to cry (literally), and I'm not even an atheist.Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18189439677913352055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7563451968059931498.post-53337804692565934072007-11-04T06:59:00.000-05:002007-11-04T06:59:00.000-05:00Yep! They are just "labels." When we can look be...Yep! They are just "labels." When we can look beyond the labels and think outside of the "religious box," we will find that we have many more similarities than differences. <BR/><BR/>I've been commenting over at the Reasonable Atheist and his Genesis study, and I've decided to take a leap and reveal myself in hopes of finding more people to think with. <BR/><BR/>Check out my post titled <A REF="http://ohthethinksyoucanthink.blogspot.com/2007/10/why-i-call-everything-religion.html">Freedom in Thought</A>, as well as some other ones, and let me know what you think. <BR/><BR/>You can take a look at my more <A REF="http://aviewfromtheheart.blogspot.com/">personal</A> blog as well.Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18189439677913352055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7563451968059931498.post-60612636314246170572007-10-29T13:16:00.000-04:002007-10-29T13:16:00.000-04:00Thanks again for the comment. Those are good point...Thanks again for the comment. Those are good points. You certainly don't seem to be apathetic! ;-) As far as the endless debate over definitions, I'm still up in the air about it. Dare I say, "agnostic" about the semantics? Ho ho.<BR/><BR/>I'll take a look at the blog you linked to.that atheist guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16091786187162784705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7563451968059931498.post-87127516230422574042007-10-26T20:06:00.000-04:002007-10-26T20:06:00.000-04:00I live in Australia, so atheism is not really the ...I live in Australia, so atheism is not really the political issue here as it is in some parts of the US, but I just don't think that trying to impose a new definition which, yes, many atheists agree upon, but nobody else understands will help. If someone's definition of atheist is "equivalent" to non-theist, why can't the term non-theist be used? <BR/><BR/>I get concerned when groups attempt to co-opt words and proscribe their usage. It smacks of Newspeak to me. And "political expedience" isn't something I'm comfortable with.<BR/><BR/>The problem is that when dealing with some Christians, none of the fine distinctions being made are meaningful to them. They see through the lens of the informal fallacy "You're with us or against us". It's written in their bible. Twice. <BR/><BR/>Newer terms like ignostic are probably more useful, because their meanings have not calcified. <BR/><BR/>In the meantime, I have to wonder if all this focus on the word is not counter-productive. I have been told many times that I AM an atheist, no matter what I say. I object to that label on the basis that it misrepresents my position according to general understanding so instead of having fruitful conversations about things that really matter, I am forced to spend my time on abstract and obscure philosophical masturbation. <BR/><BR/>Forgive my bluntness, but I think it's useful to point out that the debate can alienate others who actually share atheists interests.<BR/><BR/>I have found that many who expound the broad definition use it, very subtly, with a sense of moral superiority. And in my opinion, you can never defeat that which you dislike by becoming it. That is a mistake which has been repeated over and over again in history and the outcome is always the same.<BR/><BR/>I should probably add here that the label I use for myself is agnostic. If we want to get really specific, you could technically call me an "apathetic agnostic", but that is a distinction only valuable within atheist/agnostic circles.<BR/><BR/>Overall, I find the arguments of definition to be reactionary and polarising. And ultimately self-defeating. But they're out there, so I guess I have to deal with them.<BR/><BR/>(I really wanted to put an incorrect "begs the question" in there for you, but I just couldn't find a place.)<BR/><BR/>Incidentally, <A HREF="http://stewartsstruggles.blogspot.com/2007/10/subject-unworthy-of-debate.html" REL="nofollow">a little debate over whether religion is necessarily bad</A> has started on a blog I read. Stewart will be posting again soon, if you feel like adding a third voice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7563451968059931498.post-38132048892503932742007-10-26T10:06:00.000-04:002007-10-26T10:06:00.000-04:00Thanks for the comment. Yeah, it's true. I've also...Thanks for the comment. Yeah, it's true. I've also read the arguments and I go back and forth in my mind which is best. The problem is many people on the "street" still use the obsolete and bad definitions of atheism and agnosticism.<BR/><BR/>If I encounter an average American Christian and they ask me "what I am" I have to worry if they use the obsolete definition of atheism. But I'm also not comfortable with the street definition, because I don't feel like my "belief" in the non-existence of Yahweh is the same class of their belief in his existence, nor do I want it to imply I believe all possible god models don't exist. Saying agnostic also might cause an misunderstanding if they go by the bad definition of that.<BR/><BR/>If the encounter is going to lead to fruitful conversation, I might choose to use relatively unknown words like ignostic, or say seemingly contradictory things (as I explained in an earlier post) like "I'm an atheist who loves God" because that will lead to deeper discussion and greater mutual understanding.<BR/><BR/>I do see a lot of support for the philosophical definition of atheism among atheists online though. There might be a lot of problems with making it equivalent to non-theism, but it could be politically expedient. The effort might be futile though, just like my futile efforts to get people to use "beg the question" properly. We'll just have to see how things develop over time.that atheist guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16091786187162784705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7563451968059931498.post-82751352161112120072007-10-26T08:31:00.000-04:002007-10-26T08:31:00.000-04:00I've read all the arguments, and had all the argum...I've read all the arguments, and <I>had</I> all the arguments and it comes down to this: Words are for communicating. If the "street" meaning of a term is different from the meaning you intend, nobody is going to understand you. The broader definition of atheist renders the term virtually meaningless and requires qualifiers if it is to make any sense. Seriously, who says, "Hello, I'm a weak atheist?"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com